"I'm glad the little shit is dead. He thought he was a god."
Allen Dulles, former head of the CIA and member of the Warren Commission, is getting a lot of attention from conspiracy theorists. Jefferson Morley wrote a Substack column on the whereabouts of Dulles on the weekend of November 22nd, (debunked here) and now RFK Jr., in a recent interview with Tucker Carlson, has put words in his mouth about the death of JFK.
Here is an excerpt from a transcript: (45:40)
Tucker Carlson: You've said a number of times publicly many times publicly, and I think it's now been confirmed that CIA had knowledge of, at best had knowledge of your uncle's assassination, new things still being hidden now. What do you think? And that's obviously true. What do you think the motive was in that killing?
RFK Jr.: Well, I think the people who were involved in it, the specific people who were involved in it were, were almost all associated with the Miami station, which was the largest CIA station at that time. It was basically, it was the Cuban station. And the people who were involved in that station were people like Bill Harvey, and David Atlee Phillips, who was clearly involved in my uncle's assassination. He was, by all evidence, he was Lee Harvey Oswald's handler at the CIA. And, E. Howard Hunt, who made a confession, David Morales, who is the, you know, the chief hitman, he ran the Operation Phoenix program in Vietnam. He killed 10,000 people, civilians over there, murdered them. And he also gave a confession of being in Dallas. And then there was, most of the people were associated with Cuba. And the impetus came from that group of people who were, who were angry at my uncle for not sending in air cover during the Bay of Pigs invasion, and then even more so, after the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. My uncle then developed this friendship with Khrushchev, and he shut down all of the Cuban attacks by Alpha 66, and these other groups that were harassing Cuba. They were sinking ships, sinking Russian ships. They were operating flotillas out of South Florida and doing raids. And my uncle and father sent the Coast Guard down to confiscate their boats and their weaponry and to arrest the ones that continue to do it. And those people, those individuals were also, you know, have been traced and, and tracked to the assassination. And, you know, over the years and there now, there has been a, you know, there's millions of documents.
Tucker Carlson: But why not release all the documents? It doesn't make sense to me is, why not just admit it now? I mean, no, no one you describe would be, is still alive.
RFK Jr.: No everybody now ...
Tucker Carlson: Why wouldn't Biden declassify these documents?
RFK Jr.: I don't know why. And why would Trump not ...?
Tucker Carlson: I agree. I know why Trump wouldn't, because he was convinced by Mike Pompeo, not to. So, and it's not an excuse. You know,
RFK Jr.: We don't know what Mike Pompeo said to him.
Tucker Carlson: No, but that's the point. What could possibly be ...
RFK Jr.: The law requires them to do it. So they, the JFK assassinations law required that all documents be released by 2017.
Tucker Carlson: Yeah.
RFK Jr.: And yet they refused. So, they ...
Tucker Carlson: but it's suggested there's something ...
RFK Jr.: there's about 4000 of them that are left, and you have to assume and again, I don't, I try not to try not to talk about things that I cannot document.
Tucker Carlson: Right.
RFK Jr.: I think, there's a, it's a fair assumption that they're not protecting individuals, that they're protecting some institutional interest.
Tucker Carlson: What's the most powerful institution in America?
RFK Jr.: Well again, I am not going to, I am not going to, I don't know. I don't know. And, you know, I
Tucker Carlson: You don't know.
RFK Jr.: Yeah.
Tucker Carlson: There must be something because why wouldn't they just ...
RFK Jr.: And by the way, for people, you know, you and I having this conversation about who did the assassination and why they did it. A lot of that is the stuff that I've told you and I've tried to stick to things that, you know, are documentable, and the names, etc. But for people who want a real, you know, kind of a panoramic view of what happened. I think the best book that's been written about this is Jim Douglass's book, which is called The Unspeakable because he's done something, you know, after the Warren Commission, that became the orthodoxy, and New York Times and all the major news organizations have enforced that orthodoxy and anybody who challenged that orthodoxy becomes a conspiracy theorist. And in fact, in 1967, the CIA sent a letter out to, a telecom out to all of its Operation Mockingbird people, which are all the assets it had in the American press. More than 400 people, editors, senior editors, senior writers, the American press thing. From now on, anybody who questions the single gunmen theory of the Kennedy assassination should be characterized as a conspiracy theorist. So, they didn't coin the word, conspiracy theory, but they popularized it with that memo. They sent out a memo to all their stations, saying that talk should be discouraged. So, those, you know, what happened after that is then, in 1979, the House Assassinations Committee met for a year and a half. And they looked at much more evidence than the Warren Commission, including, you know, Allen Dulles. Allen Dulles had run the Warren Commission. He was the head of the CIA, who my uncle fired. When my uncle died, he said, "I'm glad the little shit is dead. He thought he was a god." That's what he said to a young reporter and then he becomes the head of the Commission. That is, it shouldn't have been called the Warren Commission, it should be called the Dulles because Earl Warren was at a full-time job at the Supreme Court. All the other guys on the Warren Commission had full-time jobs, the Senators and Congressmen. The only guy who went to every meeting, and you know, looked at every piece of evidence and developed the questions for the witnesses was Allen Dulles. He was running the entire Warren Commission. And he should have been the prime suspect in the crime and he was communicating secretly, with the people at the CIA, with David Atlee Phillips, with George Joannides, who was the CIA liaison, telling them what, you know, what questions we're going to be asked and what they should reveal and with J. Edgar Hoover at the same time. But the whole thing was a coordinated kind of Kabuki theatre. But then Congress goes back and investigates it in '79. And Congress then comes back, after a year and a half, seeing a lot more stuff. And says, and they conclude this was a conspiracy.
Tucker Carlson: Yes,
RFK Jr.: They make that official. Anybody who says it was just Lee Harvey Oswald is differing from the people who actually made the investigation. Most of the people on that staff who I've talked to believe that it was the CIA, and as you know, at that time, the dispute between them was between the mob and the CIA, because there was a lot of mob involvement. You know, Johnny Roselli, Sam Giancana, who was the Chicago boss, Santos Trafficante, the Tampa boss, and Carlos Marcello, who was New Orleans boss were all involved, and they all had casinos in Havana. And they were working with the CIA to assassinate Castro. So, they had a hitman at their disposal, and they were training Cubans who were sharpshooters for Batista as hitmen. And I've talked to some of the hitmen, I've talked to Antonio Veciana, who was involved and who was also David Atlee Phillips, David Atlee Phillips was his handler, and he was Lee Harvey Oswald's handler. So, Veciana met Oswald, in Dallas, in I think, in September of 1963, oh, I've talked to, you know, the people who were actually working for the CIA and the mob at that time, you know, to kill Castro and how they were then pivoted to this, you know, some of them were pivoted to this new project.
RFK Jr. says that he has "talked to some of the hitmen." Really? David Morales was the CIA's "chief hitman." He believes the story that Antonio Veciana met Oswald, that David Atlee Phillips was Oswald's handler, and that E. Howard Hunt really made a confession.
RFK's conspiracy stories are all familiar, some of them are exaggerated and some of them are distorted. For instance, there is no evidence that Dulles, during the Warren Commission investigation, coordinated questions with George Joannides who was the the CIA liaison with the HSCA.
What really stood out for me was RFK Jr.'s supposed quote from Allen Dulles:
Allen Dulles had run the Warren Commission. He was the head of the CIA, who my uncle fired. When my uncle died, he said, "I'm glad the little shit is dead. He thought he was a god." That's what he said to a young reporter and then he becomes the head of the Commission.
This is a fabrication based on a supposed quote. Here's the real story.
Willie Morris was a young writer whom Harper's Magazine had sent to work with Allen Dulles in 1965 on an article, which was never completed, about the Bay of Pigs.
He wrote:
But from the moment we sat down to our 12-hour work days in a study overlooking a sedate walled-in terrace I knew I was in the company of a courtly and civilized man, a little precious at first on the arcane calling which had obsessed him since his OSS days in Bern, but still an easy man to be with, curious and feeling about his fellow creatures, a casual and entertaining host, and -- best of all -- an engrossing raconteur, especially with stories about spies.
This was written some twenty-eight years after his encounter with Allen Dulles. Notice that Morris does not provide any context for the comment. It is even unclear whether Dulles is referring to JFK or to his younger brother RFK.
In September 1965, nearly two years after Kennedy was violently removed from office, Allen Dulles went for a stroll near his home in Georgetown with a young magazine editor named William Morris. The old spymaster, long since retired, struck Morris as an amiable, avuncular character until the name Kennedy suddenly came up in the conversation. Suddenly a dark cloud crossed the old man's brow.
"That little Kennedy," he spat out. "He thought he was a god."
Allen Dulles knew who the true overlords of American power were. (They were) men like him and his brother, not Jack and Bobby Kennedy. The Kennedys were mere upstarts in comparison to the Dulles family. The Dulles dynasty boasted diplomats and international bankers and three secretaries of state. The Kennedy clan, by comparison, was distinguished by saloon keepers and ward heelers. When paterfamilias Joseph Kennedy was amassing his fortune as a movie mogul and stock gambler, Dulles and his older brother were running Wall Street from their perch at the world's largest law firm, Sullivan and Cromwell and creating a new global financial order.
And now we have RFK Jr. changing the quote to "I'm glad the little shit is dead. He thought he was a god," with making this remark right after the JFK assassination.
What next?
Allen Dulles is the current whipping boy of the conspiracy crowd. He was the featured villain in David Talbot's book, The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, and that has been picked up by RFK Jr., Jefferson Morley and Oliver Stone, who promoted Dulles as one of the two featured villains in his so-called documentary series, JFK: Destiny Betrayed (General Curtis LeMay being the other).
I think what we're going to show over the next few years is that Allen Welsh Dulles was much more centrally involved in the assassination of President Kennedy, and its cover-up, than Lee Harvey Oswald.
Fifty years later, it's finally time to give the man his rightful place in history. In his day, Allen Dulles was America's most legendary spymaster, the longest-serving director of the CIA. He took great pleasure in regaling the public about his espionage triumphs. But, for obvious reasons, he could never take credit for his biggest and boldest covert operation: the killing of the President of the United States in broad daylight on the streets of an American city.
I hope that my forthcoming book, which will be titled "The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, JFK and the Epic Battle for America's Soul" will at long last give Mr. Dulles his due. As I say in my title of my remarks this morning, I believe Allen Dulles truly was the "Chairman of the Board of the Kennedy Assassination."
One last point, Sylvia Meagher criticized Senator Russell for only being present during the questioning of six of the ninety-four witnesses who appeared before the Warren Commission (see page xxx of her book, Accessories After the Fact). Dulles was there for the questioning of 60 witnesses and Gerald Ford was there for the questioning of 70 witnesses. Now, we have accusations from RFK Jr. that Allen Dulles ran the Warren Commission and that he was "The only guy who went to every meeting, and you know, looked at every piece of evidence."
Doing your job is now a negative.
A big thank you to Paul Hoch for his research and his editing of this article.
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