Luna Talks to Rogan about Interdimensional Beings and the Ark of the Covenant
- Fred Litwin
- Aug 14
- 18 min read
Updated: Aug 15
Interdimensional Beings and Alien Technology
The discussion started off on the topic of interdimensional beings and alien technology: (0:13)
Rogan: What did you think about the whole UFO thing before you got into office?
Luna: So, I actually had, when I was stationed at Portland Air National Guard, my job there was an airfield manager, so I would interface and work a lot with the F-15 pilots at the unit. And so there had been an airspace incursion that had taken place when I was still at the time of the guard, and I remember kind of talking to some of the pilots about it, and I was like, what was that? And they're like, we can't really talk about it. No one really wanted to address it. And so from what I had gathered that had been likely a UAP, and so that kind of was my perspective. Granted, I also grew up in the generation of The X Files. And, you know, I don't know if you remember '94 Independence Day, so like, for me specifically, I didn't look at it with, like, a crazy lens of perspective. I'm like, you know, you never know if we're the only ones out there, essentially.
Rogan: Why did you assume that, if it's a top-secret incursion, that he couldn't talk about, that it wasn't just a military craft from another country?
Luna: Because of the way that he was discussing it.
Rogan: How, what did he say?
Luna: So, he had been, he didn't want to, from what I gather, get taken off flight status, and he's like, I really can't discuss it. We couldn't really, like, identify it essentially, and it had outperformed them. And so that was my first, from a military perspective, kind of experience with someone who basically, you know, there's a stigma within the flight community. Do you want to lose your security clearance? What, you know -- is there this level of crazy that people kind of brand that will stick with you and kind of ruin your career.
Rogan: But doesn't he have instrumentation on his jet?
Luna: Well at the time, right? So an older platform, but he really didn't want to even talk about it. And I bring that up because now, with our investigation and the task force that I run, actually the reason why the task force was formed was because of an event that happened at Eglin Air Force Base, where both myself, Representative Matt Gaetz and Representative Tim Burchett actually had responded and gone to investigate multiple Air Force pilots that had come forward in regards to UAP incidences that had occurred, they were alleging that the Air Force was covering it up.
Rogan: Interesting.
Luna: Yeah, so that was that, and like, I'm happy to go into detail on that one. But what I will tell you is the stuff that I saw Eglin, how the military responded me being, you know, a former service member, and then ultimately, what I saw with the pushback of the military, not even wanting to share with Congress information, which is a big problem, because when you have Congress that's supposed to be the advocate and voice for the American people, the oversight body, and you're being denied access, not just from a base commander, but high level up at the Pentagon, even Secretary of Defense. It's a problem.
Rogan: Do you think that it's possible that these are US vehicles that are top secret?
Luna: I definitely think that there's a level of advanced technology that the US government has, and I think that that that tech can be housed within the defense contractor realm. And of course, some information is going to be classified. But I can also tell you, and this might sound crazy, but based on our investigations and stuff that we've seen, okay, there is definitely something that I think would rival what we know currently, with physics and a tech that potentially is out there that we don't have the ability to reproduce, because it would basically be like dropping a cell phone, cell phone, right off back during the time of maybe caveman. So, like, we just don't have the tech to develop it yet. What I can also tell you is based on our interviews, and this has been something that you can go back and watch with the congressional hearings, but I was actually able able to ask some of the witnesses, you know, what are these things? And they keep saying interdimensional. And then, when you talk about the dimensional aspect of, you know, are these things pre existing, maybe outside of what we currently know as our own dimension, that stuff can kind of all sound crazy, but at the end of the day, you know, my job as an investigator is to receive all the information, decipher it, and then, ultimately, from a congressional aspect, if you do have contractors that are withholding information or operating outside of the purview of the federal government. I mean, there's budgetary issues, but there's definitely something that I can tell you with confidence that exists that we don't know how to explain currently.
Rogan: So when you say that it operates outside our understanding of physics, what specifically are you saying? Like, what, what happened?
Luna: To, I guess, break it down in simple terms, is that I think that some of the tech that exists, that whatever these things have, these energy things have..
Rogan: Energy things, what do you mean?
Luna: Well, they call them inter interdimensional beings. I think that they can actually operate through the time spaces that we currently have. And that's not something that I came up with on my own, that's based on stuff that we've seen, that's based on information that we've been told. And then also, too, I think that there's this historical aspect of, you know, this gets into the deeper theories and concepts of religion, and I think the history that we currently know. And that kind of spins off into another topic. Of you know, you have the modern-day Bible. You have this aspect of Bibles -- books of the Bible that have been removed, that explain and kind of touch on these topics. And I think that we're in a time and age where you have such a vast amount of information that we have access to via social media, via your cell phone, via the internet, and so it's really changing the way that we understand, you know, the origins of life and the spiritual reality that we know,
Rogan: When you say interdimensional beings, that they know that these are interdimensional beings. How do they know that?
Luna: That, so based on testimony, would be based on witnesses that have come forward. But what I can tell you ..
Rogan: So, witnesses just were told that they were interdimensional?
Luna: ... that they've seen things. And what I can tell you, without getting into classified conversations, is that there have been incidences that I believe, where very credible people have reported that there have been movement outside of time and space.
Rogan: That's very vague.
Luna: Yeah, so look ...
Rogan: unfortunately,
Luna: Yeah, look, have I seen a portal, but no, have I seen a spaceship personally? No, have I've seen evidence of this? Yes. Have I seen photo documentation of aircraft that I believe were not made by mankind. Yes. Is there historical significance to this? Yes. Is there multiple events that go back to, I would argue, maybe even before the time of Christ, that have documented this in text? Yes. So do I believe that the government has access to certain technology? Yes, to an extent, and I believe that certain contractors potentially have back-engineered this tech. I think that that's what can explain the advancements that we're seeing. But I also believe that this is a dangerous level of hidden information from the American people, because if you have an aspect of the federal government, which I can tell you, I, with two other members of Congress, were denied access to information at Eglin Air Force Base pertaining to whistleblowers because of the fact, and we can get into that story of what happened at Eglin in a second, but we were denied access and told that we don't have security clearance or the read-in authority on a special access program. That's a problem, because I'm supposed to represent and be an investigative body, and you have then people who are unelected that are operating basically in secrecy, and that's a problem. That's a big problem.
Rogan: And so how do these people have the authority to do that?
Luna: I think it's been decades of classified secret information, then also this aspect of the intelligence community that's been empowered, and it's kind of serendipitous with timing, because when you talk about the intelligence communities and what they've done essentially to the trust in this country with the American people, I think this goes all the way back even into JFK, with how they basically have operated outside of the purview of Congress, and basically, to an extent, have gone rogue. Up until recently, you're seeing a big push and pull to try to rein in these intelligence agencies currently.
Rogan: Yeah. So what I want to bring it back to evidence. You said that you've seen evidence. Like, what kind of evidence Have you seen?
Luna: I have seen photos. I have seen ...
Rogan: what have you seen photos of?
Luna: So I was in a SCIF, and I can't discuss all that was in a SCIF, but what I can tell you is, based on the photos that I've seen, I'm very confident that there's things out there that have not been created by mankind.
Rogan: It seems crazy that people have access to information that shows that there's something outside of us that is more intelligent, at least more capable than we are, and they hide it from everybody else.
Luna: What I can tell you is that when you have thousands upon thousands of people around the planet throughout time that have reported something..
Rogan: Right.
Luna: ... to say that those people are crazy, to say that, you know, the whole concept of even just asking the question that you might not necessarily be psychologically sound, that in itself, you know, that's a disinformation campaign to get people to shut up about it. And that's a problem. We know that the US government has not exactly been clean, and a lot of what they've done with the American people specifically to the topic of UFOs ...
Rogan: which makes you think that it's probably because there's something there.
Interdimensional beings? Alien technology? Photographs in a SCIF? Luna is going to have to wear these remarks for years.
The Ark of the Covenant
Luna also thinks that a "remote viewer" has actually found the Ark of the Covenant: (38:37)
Rogan:. I think these stories, especially when you get to stories like Noah and the Ark, that these stories exist in basically every religion, they're real similar, they're real similar. I think all of these people are trying to document a truth. It's just what is that truth is where it gets weird and when it gets to like other gods and giants and giants created man ...
Luna: Well Enoch talks about that,
Rogan: Yeah? Oh, I know.
Luna: it's crazy.
Rogan: It's wild stuff. It's with ... if its legitimate it's wild stuff. And then, do you know anything about the Ethiopian church that supposedly has the Ark of the Covenant in it?
Luna: Yeah, I've looked into that. Actually wanted to, and again ...
Rogan: You're in the government, you can like ...
Luna: Yeah. So I actually wanted to do a (unclear)... just to, of course, like we're focusing on other things right now.
Rogan: Seven seals, find that fucking thing.
Luna: I need to pay for this for myself, so we're not using taxpayer dollars. But just go check it out. What's interesting is the CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant. I think the ...
Rogan: remote viewed.
Luna: They remote viewed it. You can actually find that you should actually ...
Rogan: Ethiopia?
Luna: No, not in Ethiopia, but was in a Middle Eastern country. They weren't able to locate the actual, I think the New York Post did an article on it, where they actually have the handwritten notes on the Ark of the Covenant location, and they remote viewed it. You should ask them to come on up. Yeah, I'm serious about it.
Rogan: Did they go there and see if they ...
Luna: I don't know. This is like Indiana Jones ...
Rogan: "Decades old CIA documents on Ark of the Covenant resurfaced amid classified group text." What?
Luna: Laughing ... Yeah...
Rogan: How did a group text arguably cause this stuff ...
Luna: Check it out. Pull up the New York Post one, because they actually have the handwritten notes from the remote viewer that actually documents it.
Rogan: Okay.
Luna: It should be, like the New York Post.
Rogan: That's so funny.
Luna: Oh, there we go. That one. This is wild, because it actually goes into descriptions of angels too. And so actually, if so, in Enoch, it talks about, well, if you, if you scroll down, now that's that you can probably click on the Scribd, because it'll show you all the documents from the actual declassified file. This is also on CIA.dot.com.
Rogan: What year was this?
Luna: This happened recently. This was, like a couple months ago that this just kind of came all out,
Rogan: Right? But What year was this project?
Luna: 1988.
Rogan: '88.
Luna: Five, December 1988.
Rogan: Wow ...
Luna: So, scroll down.
Rogan: So, in '88, they found the Ark of the Covenant?
Luna: Allegedly, allegedly, they remote viewed it. We don't know ..
Rogan: Who was President back then? Reagan?
Luna: Go down.
Rogan: Bush?
Luna: Senior. Okay, so scroll down, and then you'll see that. So this is, like there, so they're going through in the notes. You have to read it, but you can scroll down. This is kind of,
Rogan: This is he's like drawing where the ...
Luna: ... the remote viewer, so you have, like, the different things that are describing it. And if you keep going, you'll see, like a cherubim. Keep going.
Rogan: It's like showing the peak.
Luna: Sorry, go up a little bit. So that's interesting, because if you look into actual, so, there's like a wheel text, if you look into Enoch, subscription of angels, and Ezekial, to, I think that kind of ties it, go down more so, but yeah, you have, like the actual here, purpose of container. They should have, like a cherubin drawing somewhere down here. Oh, yeah, see. So that would be the seraphim.
Rogan: That would be he what?
Luna: The seraphim ...
Rogan: How it's open.
Luna: Yeah. So basically, when they describe the arc, and so he's going through describing, so these are the hand notes for and then actually says that it's in a Middle Eastern country. The remote viewer describes the clothing in which individuals are in the area. I feel like I'm described like an Indiana Jones movie. But this is actually from the CIA.
Rogan: This, this image. Scroll back to where that, what is that thing? Is that the corner of the box?
Luna: Of the covenant? Yeah, he's describing, if you go up and these are actually the handwritten notes on what was described by the remote viewer, and you have to go through the entire document, but yeah, that's what's described surrounding the Ark.
Rogan: Do you know what they asked him to find?
Luna: Well, yeah, the Ark of the Covenant.
Rogan: They asked him to go look for the Ark of the Covenant?
Luna: Yeah, if you go higher up in the documents, it's over there.
Rogan: Right, but if you ask me to go look for the Ark of the Covenant, like, I'd know what I'm looking for, right?
Luna: Well, apparently, these are remote viewers...
Rogan: ... draw what I think ... show me that they fucking found it.
Luna: I know. I don't know if they did.
Rogan: I don't know if they did either, but it's interesting, but it's not as interesting, because you're saying, show me the Ark of the Covenant, right? So he's drawing what we all saw in Indiana Jones.
Luna: Or can you locate it?
Rogan: What year was that? That was before Indiana Jones,
Jimmy: It was the same time period.
Rogan: When did Indiana Jones come out?
Luna: The 90s, right?
Rogan: I don't know. I'm thinking.
Luna: And like, the first two are the best.
Rogan: Raiders of the Lost Ark was the first one. That's the one. What year was that?
Luna: 1981.
Rogan: Okay, so ...
Luna: Precursor.
Rogan: So, that's seven years earlier. Everybody saw that movie 100 times. You know what it looks like. You know what the Ark looks like. So if I tell you, go draw me the ark. Where's it at? You think all we have is some scribbles on. paper, unless they actually went there and found it.
Luna: Well, what's interesting, I should probably ask Radcliffe, like Radcliffe, can you tell me ...
Rogan: What did you say Jimmy?
Jimmy: It says the mission is to access and describe the target, identified by coordinate. And then there's coordinates. The task being is to see mission statement -- training target is the Ark of the Covenant.
Rogan: So they did say, go find us the Ark of the Covenant. And then this dude apparently said, Keep AOL to a minimum. What is that? I have to be careful with editing, though this does not seem to be a problem at this time, just something to watch for. Attained, excellent site contact, okay,
Luna: Definitely interesting.
Rogan: What's weird that they're talking about it like it's a real talent, like some can actually do it.
Jimmy: Mosque domes, yeah.
Rogan: Target is in a container. This containers in another container. It has another container inside of it. The target is fashioned of wood, gold and silver. The target is similar in shape to AOL. So that's that, something of location, right? Is that what it means? Area of location? Area? Yeah, that's it coffin. It is decorated with the seraphim -- see sketch. This target is located somewhere in the Middle East, as the language spoken by individuals present seem to be Arabic. Well, wouldn't you want someone who could fucking decipher Arabic to do this?
Luna: We don't know how far it went, and I definitely have questions. But this would not be the first time that a government would have looked for something, especially because people theorize that the Ark of the Covenant had these abilities as a super weapon.
Rogan: I know what I'm saying, like the remote viewer is limited by his ability to understand the language. Stop, scroll back up, please. There, right there. So somewhere in the Middle East, visuals of surrounding buildings indicated that the area that the presence of mosque domes. Individuals in the area were clothed in virtually all white. Had black hair and dark eyes. One figure I honed it on wore a mustache. The target is hidden underground, dark and wet, where all aspects of the location of the target. See, the only problem I over have with these things is if these places are all controlled by terrorists, and it's all, you know, dictators and crazy people over there, if they found out that the ark was there, they would fucking take it.
Luna: Well, I think there's this aspect of, if you look at from a biblical perspective, no one would be able to access it anyways, because it would be protected, right? That's what the Bible says.
Jimmy: Cannot be opened until the time is deemed correct.
Rogan: Oh, Jesus. [laughing] What's the time to open the container? The mechanisms of lock systems will be found to be fairly simple. Individuals opening the container by prying or striking are destroyed by the containers protectors.
Luna: Well, it's interesting is, remember, in the Bible always talks about there had to be ..
Rogan: ... through the use of a power unknown to us,
Luna: They had to go through the special, special process of being considered, you know, holy, basically, to access it. So all that to say that there's something out there, right? I think that obviously God's real, and this job has definitely, you know, put me in a position to where we're able to help get other truths out there, if you will.
Rogan: We need to get the truth of that thing out there.
The conversation continues. There actually was a Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) program called Project Sun Streak in which they investigated remoted viewing.
Why didn't Luna or Joe Rogan read this part of the article on the air?
Legendary remote viewer #1 Joe McGoneagle does not believe that this remote viewing is worth the paper it’s written on.
“Using remote viewing against any target for which ground truth does not exist or is impossible to obtain, such as UFOs, UAPs, the surface of Mars, or the locations of historical relics, is a waste of time and resources,” McGoneagle told The Post.
“If someone claims that remote viewing proves the existence of something, such as the Ark of the Covenant, they must produce the Ark to substantiate their claim.”
Of course, the entire concept of remote viewing is nonsense. These experiments remind me of the time when the Amazing Randi fooled scientists when testing for ESP. It's not hard to fool scientists -- much harder to fool magicians with this stuff.
The RFK Assassination
Luna believes that the State Department knew about the RFK assassination before it happened: (1:05:00)
Luna: And I think I saw recently, Tulsi [Gabbard] had actually talked about some of the State Department wires that had been found that and I think through the same ones that had talked about the assassination of RFK, there were wires going up the State Department prior to his assassination, which is interesting. So our next investigation, so we've done ...
Rogan: What do you what do you mean by that, like, what? How did they specifically discuss it?
Luna: Well, that's, I haven't seen the actual wires themselves yet, but what that would imply is that the State Department knew about the assassination before it took place.
Rogan: Oh, geez.
So, Luna hasn't seen the State Department wires! You would think that before making such an allegation, you would want to see the evidence.
The KGB and the JFK Assassination
Luna says the CIA destroyed a KGB report on the JFK Assassination: (51:58)
Luna: I actually had a really groundbreaking conversation. So, like, the way I'll describe Congress is, you ever have, like, a job where 80% of it, 90% of it, just, like, really eating shit, and then, like, the 10% is, like, really cool,
Rogan: Yeah.
Luna: And it makes up for that, like, 80, 90% there, you're just,
Rogan: That when I hosted Fear Factor.
Luna: Okay, so that aspect of I think, really exists in politics, if you like, actually here, and I had a meeting recently where I was with two other members of Congress that were helping me with the JFK investigation. And we actually met for the first time since 1990 with the Ambassador to the Russian government. And I bring that up because, at the time of the JFK assassination, the KGB had actually come forward with their own independent investigation, and they actually gave it at Kennedy's funeral to U.S. officials. We never got those documents. And it's my belief that the CIA actually destroyed that information and evidence because it would have confirmed what the KGB ... And mind you, at the time, JFK was actually in talks with the President of Russia at that time, and his perspective is that he actually wanted to do a joint mission between the U.S. government and the Russian government to the moon. And there are aspects and divisions within the intelligence community. You obviously saw the Cold War was happening. They wanted war in Cuba. They wanted war with Russia. So for them to be able to say that Kennedy, who was not a communist, but that he was a communist sympathizer. And how dare he talk to these dirty communists? I mean that, in itself, would have given them any ammunition to turn a blind eye, or at least not fully figure out who assassinated Kennedy.
I guess Luna doesn't realize that JFK and his brother were at war with Castro. They were the one directing the CIA and the rest of the government to go after Cuba. Does she really believe the CIA destroyed a KGB report? Why would the Russians give the report to the CIA rather than to the State Department or directly to President Johnson.
Committee Report on the JFK Assassination.
Luna says that her committee will be writing a report on the JFK assassination (1:33:52)
Luna: I did say recently, so, the MLK documents just came out, and we're wrapping up our JFK investigation. So after we finalize the JFK investigation, we're putting out an official congressional report on our findings, and people can read it and decide for themselves, and then we have RFK, and then MLK, but I think a lot of the MLK family was actually very concerned that we were going to go into extracurricular, and that's not the objective.
I can't wait to read her report. It's going to be a regurgitation of talking points from Jefferson Morley along with a smattering of nonsense from her hearings.
The good news? It will be a field day for my blog.
Previous Relevant Blog Posts about Congresswoman Luna
Luna says the Russians will be giving us their JFK files in the fall.
Luna, Bannon, and Tucker believe some crazy things about the assassination.
Luna's second hearing -- I don't know what was worse - the silly testimony of the witnesses or the brainless questions of the committee members.
An analysis of Congresswoman Luna's Congressional Hearings
Congresswoman Luna doesn't really know much about the JFK assassination.
Have a look at the book on Luna's desk
A link to an excellent article by Michael Isikoff.
Congresswoman Luna Finds a New Witness
Here is the conspiracy witness who knows the truth.
