Is Thomas Pearcy Just Another Buff?

Fred Litwin
2 hours ago
19 min read

I want to thank Robert Reynolds for his research in finding all the relevant documents below. I strongly urge people to have a look at his excellent website on the JFK documents.

Professor Thomas Pearcy was on Indiana radio on July 28th to help promote a major event on August 3rd.

If you remember, Pearcy is the person who claimed to have seen a secret CIA document in which they bragged about keeping G. Robert Blakey in the dark.

I wrote a blog post about this in December of 2025.

Here is an excerpt from a transcript: (38:30)

Pearcy: Just like the Oliver Stone movie triggers the Assassination Records Review Board. Now, I saw this document in in early 2009. I did not copy it. I would not remove it. I would never, ever do something like that because I had taken an oath to not do those things.

Host: And this is the 50-page document you're talking about that.

Pearcy: The Inspector General's report, where they lay it all out. I didn't approach Morley until 2018. I sat on it, in part because I enjoy living. I didn't want to go to prison and would like to spend some time with my family, you know. But it wasn't the right time. And then in 2018, the CIA wrote something publicly that bothered me to the point that I reached out to Morley, who was I think at the New York Times at that point, and I said, "Man, give it to this person. I mean, what he's saying is not right." Morley was intrigued that I knew these people. He flew to Pittsburgh to meet me, and thus we began this this working relationship. Here's where my contribution differs. I mentioned the joint historian position for you, that it was created in the 1990s.

Host: Yes.

Pearcy: My job was not to declassify -- anything. My job was to look at anything in the world, at any level of classification, and determine as a professional historian whether or not a thorough and accurate record of our government's relations with other countries required this document.

Host: Yeah.

Pearcy: That was my determination.

Host: I'm gonna simplify. I'm gonna try, because I'm very simple-minded.

Pearcy: Okay,

Host: I'm a Louisiana guy, so I didn't get much education.

Pearcy: I hear you.

Host: You're kind of the keeper of the minutes. You're the keeper of the historical, not the keeper, but maybe the checker of that. Because you know, I take minutes in a variety of different boards and things. Okay, there are things that are said that are not included in minutes sometimes just because they don't mean anything. Somebody, you know, coughed or sneezed or maybe grunted. You're not going to include that in the minutes. Then there's things that maybe that you include, but it's not maybe with the same vigor or passion that it was shared or set in, or maybe even the intent of. I just want to clarify that as you're looking and you're extracting history; you're trying to make sure that you get also the intention ..

Pearcy: Yes.

Host: ... of all that is said and that and all that is shared.

Pearcy: Context, absolutely, I am, and my role, this sounds prideful, and I don't mean to sound prideful. I don't. I hope I'm.

Host: Hey, you're an accomplished person. You're. We appreciate you.

Pearcy: Thank you. But my role as a professional historian with decades of deep archival experience was to go into these places, the most secret place in all of the world for our government is not far from Mount Vernon, and there is only one signature in the world that can get you on that property, and that is the signature at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. So I had George Bush's signature, then Barack Obama's signature on my clearance. If you're only the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Defense, and you begin to enter this facility, they will use terminal force to protect

it. So my job is to go into everything, and with my knowledge of, or I think that's the way they review it. Knowing history the way I do, I can go in and say this has got to be part of it.

Host: Yeah, I want to take this a little more on the personal level with you. You know, let's go back to that night in 1975 when you saw the Zapruder film for the first time.

Pearcy: Yes.

Host: What was what was going through? How old were you then?

Pearcy: I was I was 14.

Host: Okay, so you're not you're not about the same age ... because it was horrific for me.

Pearcy: It was horrific for me also, and my mother had a tough life and worked two jobs, and I would spend all of my time down with my Aunt Minnie, my dearly beloved Aunt Minnie. I don't think we're any blood relations, but you know,

Host: we got a lot of [garbled] like that.

Pearcy: You got a lot of folks like that in Frankfort, and she would sit and would read to me about the Kennedy assassination. I mean, when I was 7, 8, 9 years old, and she would weep. She would just cry.

Host: Oh, it was so impacting.

Pearcy: And it touched my soul. I have no idea of her politics and I, I never really cared, but I would see her good heart just breaking over this event. So I'm laying on the floor in her house watching ...

Host: The Zapruder film.

Pearcy: ... Good Night America, and it was it was stunning to me. It was. I literally ...

Host: Was that the moment that things kind of stirred you to say, you know, I want to be. I know you said you were not very much interested in history.

Pearcy: Yeah. Well, I would say that's the time period. The first book that I ever read when I was in first grade in Tiger School [high school?] was Jim Bishop's The Day Kennedy was shot,

Host: Wow!

Pearcy: And that's not a small book, but my beloved Aunt Minnie's love of this ...

Host: That influenced you.

Pearcy: Yeah, and so yeah, the Zapruder film showed me that, as Mark Lane said, there's something wrong here. You know that doesn't make sense. Well, it was,

Host: And what was so funny, Tom? Not funny. It's I. I mean that, you know, metaphorically. I think that what was so unreal about all of this is that government, and there were there were still people spinning the narrative,

Pearcy: Right.

Host: Even after you see the video ...

Pearcy: Correct.

Host: And you go, "How in the world could there not be some other?" I mean.

Pearcy: Right, right.

Host: Because it's like, how can one guy shoot in that, and have that, and they and they're still saying that. There's still the narrative out there by the government.

Pearcy: Actually, the government is responsible for two or three of the most widely dispersed assassination conspiracy theories -- that's false flagging or whatever phrase we want to use. I won't, for legal reasons, go into a lot of detail. But the entire Schoolbook Depository Museum is a false flag.

Host: Yeah, been there. Yeah.

Pearcy: And that's all under intelligence community control, shall we say? Anyway, the long and short of it is this: you know, students say the government that we all we all think about this. I'm the first person. This is why I don't call myself a whistleblower in the same way. I waited years to do it, and I came forward only when I thought, because I'm in a classroom with young people and their lives are discouraging. Who do you believe, you know?

Host: Right.

Pearcy: And I tell them. I try to teach them, to inspire them, to stand up for truth, be kind, and do the right thing. You know, and sometimes doing the right thing requires some guts and attorneys, But the difference between all of the other whistleblowers and mine, my testimony, which is now on the Congressional Record and is a part of our nation's history, when FBI whistleblowers have come out before, they come out and they say, "Well, we killed these heads of state, we did this and we did that." Well, that's all interesting, but the American people already believe that. You know, they know something sinister is going on. But my question to my students is, how do you fix sinister? You know, if I, the example I use in class is, if I ask you to help me out by picking up my friend who's flying to California tomorrow, you say okay, and you get in the car and you go right. Probably a little information would be helpful, like which airport, what part of the state?

Host: Yeah, he's coming in. Yeah,

Pearcy: And that's where my testimony comes in because in this document that I read from cover to cover and then return where it belonged. And by the way, the funny part of all this, to me, as a side note, is that the agency cannot figure out the search terms, the Boolean logic that I use to locate it. So I'll bring that up to speed when, or up to date when, when you want me to do that. But effectively, what I saw was -- in 1977-78, the House Select Committee. You know, after Groden went on Geraldo Rivera, the House Select Committee does this investigation. Two important things happened during that investigation. It was intended by the government to simply rubber stamp what the Warren Commission had already said. and the government knew very well the night of the assassination what had happened. The Assistant Attorney General Nick Katzenbach wrote a memo on the night that Jack Kennedy was buried. There had been no evidence brought forward. They had nothing in Washington, and he wrote a memo that said we have to convince the American people that this is our guy, that he was a communist. Anyway, in this document that I found, what had happened is G. Robert Blakey, the head of the House Select Committee on Assassinations had notified the CIA, with the Congress's permission, I want to see your records on the assassination.

Host: Is this part of the executive order that was given by President Trump?

Pearcy: No, that's coming. This is in the 70s.

Host: Okay. 70s. Okay, okay, okay. I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm sorry. I got ...

Pearcy: But the same thing happened. They've done it. They've done it three times before Blakey went in. They wouldn't allow him to bring anyone else in with him. No one. And Blakey is an attorney. He doesn't know this stuff. You know. I mean, I don't mean any disrespect, but he's not an archivist.

Host: Right.

Pearcy: And they also insisted that he would not have access to their indexing and filing systems, but he could tell them what he wanted, and they would bring it to them. You know, now imagine this: you know, go to a library and you want a book on the Civil War. Somebody stops you at the door and says, "I'll go find a book. There, you got it. Well, Blakey had requested, the House Select Committee on Assassinations had requested the CIA station histories from Mexico City in the early '60s. The CIA knew exactly why Blakey wanted to see those because Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely worked for the CIA,

Host: and he was in Mexico.

Pearcy: Well he wasn't.

Host: Oh he wasn't, okay.

Pearcy: We sheep dipped him though to make him look communist. You know, his going into the embassy in Moscow and renouncing his citi ... All of that stuff was part of a plan, and so the House Select Committee requested these documents, and literally the report that I found is this. This is what they detailed. First, you know there was a famous instance where the Agency released one photograph of somebody who was a little chubby and a little shorter, and they said, "Well, this may be him. It's all we know, right?

Host: Yes.

Pearcy: In this inspector's general report, which I'm the only person in that part of the building who can even be looking at, and this is the most secret black site in the United States, it's just terribly sensitive document for obvious reasons. The Inspector General started out by saying we have two thousand, three hundred very high-quality photographs of the subject.

Host: Being Lee Harvey Oswald.

Pearcy: Yes, and he described the four Hasselblad cameras, two of each positioned at the Soviet and Cuban embassies, where they could, they were, they had lots of pictures of him going into communist places -- in case he accidentally survived Dallas. Now he didn't know that, of course, but the part that stirred my patriotic American soul or geriatric soul, I don't know how I would describe it -- was they described bringing Blakey into the CIA. Now I'm going to stop here. Say that G. Robert Blakey did all of us a huge disservice when, after the events I'm about to describe to you, he went out publicly and said, "Oh yeah, I saw everything the CIA had. They don't have anything." I mean, he honestly got said, "

Host: Yeah, I remember hearing that.

Pearcy: Yeah. well, what actually happened, and this is the document I'm pushing for to be.

Host: And I believe a Clinton County guy over anybody else. I'm believing you, Tom.

Pearcy: Thank you. So, the description of this stunned me because there, there, there were three senior CIA brass in a room. These are the same people who'd been involved with the decision to assassinate the president in in 1963.

Host: At Langley?

Pearcy: That is correct. Anyway, and that's another story, and I won't deviate from it unless you bring me back.

Host: No, and we're going to run out of time here shortly, and so this has again been a teaser for Friday. It's going to be -- today is a little bit of a teaser. Friday's the appetizer, but then next Monday night you're going to be able to just have a full-blown presentation and share at the library, but let's finish the Blakey part because I think that, that has a lot of meat on the bone there because because he lie, he lies.

Pearcy: He didn't lie, actually, well he was ignorant.

Host: Yeah okay he was ignorant and maybe the truth was certainly suppressed.

Pearcy: Oh, oh! In fact, and this is where my testimony really is the first actionable intelligence ever made public about the CIA and the intelligence community and keeping secrets, Whether it's files today or whenever. They describe Blakey coming over to Langley. They had located three volumes. The CIA has its own press, so it presses, and it and it and it binds beautiful brown leather binding, and and the attorney describing this, who was with Blakey, went into great detail. He said, "We simply went in and removed from the originals anything that would in any any way be problematic" and then they made a perfect duplicate of all of this stuff that they had decided Blakey could see, and they bound it. And when he came into the room, they say he hung his hat up on a hat tree and his coat, and he sat down. And they very specifically said, we set all three volumes, we stacked them to to his left. He brought the first one over, and he opened, and he looked, and he looked, and he looked, and he set it aside. And he did that same thing three times. And then he stands up, and the agency people are freaking out because if for some reason he would say, "Hold that I have a question," it could be problematic. But the agency also knows that unless you've worked at the CIA, you have no idea what they do or don't have. It's plausibly deniable. Yeah, you know, can you prove it exists? Anyway, the after-action report on that event. When Blakey visited, he stood up, and the attorney said, "Mr. Blakey, is there anything else that I can do for you?" He said, "If you like, I can explain some of the redacted materials you know that you've seen, but you've got everything." And he said, "No, nope, I'm good." And he left. He goes back to Capitol Hill, back to the Cannon Building. So the CIA convenes upstairs, and they're like, "Oh my God, we got away with it. He didn't ask any questions." I mean, he didn't say it in that language. But the thing that that gotten my feathers up was the person who was with Blakey said, and I can quote this verbatim: "G. Robert Blakey is the most intellectually uncurious human being I've ever dealt with."

Host: Yeah.

Pearcy: End of quote, and in their language, that's an insult.

Host: Yeah. And as we wrap up, you know, go back to your analogy of the library. I mean, that's exactly what just happened. Blakey is standing at the door of the library...

Pearcy: Correct.

Host: ... asking for information on a on the book of John F. Kennedy assassination, and the librarian, the CIA, comes back and hands him a tightly bound book of what they want him to see.

Pearcy: That is correct, and absolutely correct.

Host: And then he's like, "Oh, I don't need to know about the redacted. I don't need to." But they were ready to answer even the redacted.

Pearcy: They well,

Host: Was that purposely done? The redacted ...

Pearcy: Yes, the things that were redacted were nominal. There was -- anything that involved sheep=dipping or the Kennedy assassination was entirely removed, and I would add also that the meeting where the phrase, the most intellectually uncurious human being I've ever heard, that was redacted from the sterilized copy.

Host: Okay. Yeah. Well, it's amazing, Tom. You are a fascinating individual with just all of the information that you have, the history that you have, and we're very proud of you as a Clinton County. And thank you very much for all of the things that you've done. You're going to be at the Clinton County Chamber of Commerce this Friday. We're going to have a membership luncheon. Going to start. You're going to start speaking about noon. We're going to start the pork burgers and hot dogs about 11:30, and then you're going to give us another little appetizer for what's going to happen on Monday. Is it 6 o'clock at the library?

Pearcy: 6 o'clock at the library.

Host: 6 o'clock at Skanta Theater next Monday. I think that's the third, August 3. So, you want to make sure that you're there for that because you're going to hear the you're going to hear the whole scope of this, folks. It really is interesting, not just interesting. It really should, like you said, get your feathers up because it is frustrating.

Pearcy: It is, and if you can't fix something that you don't know is broken, and on Monday night I'm going to speak about things that are going to make people uncomfortable, but we should know these things.

Host: Yeah, and and have been involved with the Laura Luma [sic].

Pearcy: That's right.

Host: The investigate. I mean, she now, and that you're going to talk about that because you've been in Washington recently and dealing with Congressman Luma [sic].

Pearcy: That is correct. Representative Luna was appointed. By President Trump to head a House Committee investigating these declassifications to make sure that the CIA and others are cooperating. And Morley testified in April of last year and said she asked him point blank, "You have someone from the inside," and Morley said yes. She was referring to me.

Host: Yeah,

Pearcy: And I never did get the, what, of course, loved ones would hope for the promised. You know, I could still be fired and lose everything if I'm charged with a felony. But it's this important to me and my wife and my family are concerned, but I think the dangerous period has passed. I was in Representative Luna's office with Jefferson Morley in the Cannon Building on Capitol Hill ten days ago, and we were in a meeting with the CIA top brass, and they were trying to, you know, well, they they want me to give them the search parameters because they can't find the document, and I said no way. And they were pushing me a bit. And Representative Luna stepped in, and you know, honestly, when I left that meeting, I was blown away by her. She will take no nonsense from anyone, and she literally picked up her phone, called the Director of the Central Intelligence, did not answer, called the White House, spoke with the President, and said during this meeting,

Host: Yeah,

Pearcy: "Mr. President, we're not getting any cooperation"

Host: We're getting stonewalled.

Pearcy: Yeah, and so here we are at this critical juncture in history. We may actually, you know,

Host: 60 what? 64 years later? 66 years? It's just crazy.

Pearcy: It is crazy.

Host: 64 years later.

Pearcy: And the way that they've kept that secret is the way that they've kept a lot of other secrets.

Host: Sure. There's a trail of death in all of this too. I mean, I mean, there's been a lot of people that have been killed.

Pearcy: There is. There is.

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Here are the highlights of the above transcript.

In Green above:

Host: Yeah, been there. Yeah.

Pearcy: And that's all under intelligence community control, shall we say?

The Sixth Floor Museum is a false flag operation and is "under intelligence community control." I've got to send a note to Stephen Fagin. I have to find out if he is witting or unwitting.

In purple above:

Pearcy: And that's where my testimony comes in because in this document that I read from cover to cover, and then return where it belonged. And by the way, the funny part of all this, to me, as a side note, is that the agency cannot figure out the search terms, the Boolean logic that I used to locate it.

So, Pearcy is stating that he used some sort of search terms, or Boolean logic, to locate the document in question. He says the CIA cannot figure it out.

The report in Axios says he just happened to come across the document:

So, did he use "search terms" to find it, or was it accidental.

He also told Marc Caputo of Axios that the “document in question should be easily findable by the CIA because they have an alpha-numeric record locator from the "sanitized" memo.”

Why on earth would he not share that locator with the very people who are trying to find it?

But later, he says that he refused to help the CIA when meeting with Representative Luna (in purple above right at the end)

Pearcy: I was in Representative Luna's office with Jefferson Morley in the Cannon Building on Capitol Hill ten days ago, and we were in a meeting with the CIA top brass, and they were trying to, you know, well, they want me to give them the search parameters because they can't find the document, and I said no way. And they were pushing me a bit.

Pearcy wouldn't help them? Does this make it any sense? And the host should have asked Pearcy if he had the details.

In blue above:

Pearcy: Two important things happened during that investigation [the HSCA]. It was intended by the government to simply rubber stamp what the Warren Commission had already said. and the government knew very well the night of the assassination what had happened. The Assistant Attorney General Nick Katzenbach wrote a memo on the night that Jack Kennedy was buried. There had been no evidence brought forward. They had nothing in Washington, and he wrote a memo that said we have to convince the American people that this is our guy, that he was a communist.

How does Pearcy know that the American government intended to have the HSCA rubber-stamp the conclusions of the Warren Commission. And, of course, they didn't.

His reading of the Katzenbach memo is wrong.

I don't anywhere in the memo where Katzenbach wrote that Oswald "is our guy," and "that he was a communist." For instance, take a look at this paragraph:

And, of course, he didn't mention the first paragraph of the memo:

In blue above

Pearcy: We sheep dipped him though to make him look communist. You know, his going into the embassy in Moscow and renouncing his citi ... All of that stuff was part of a plan,

Pearcy sounds like Fletcher Prouty here. So, Oswald wasn't communist?

In orange above:

Pearcy: The CIA knew exactly why Blakey wanted to see those because Lee Harvey Oswald absolutely worked for the CIA,

Is Pearcy an historian or is he a buff?

Then, in red above:

Pearcy: The Inspector General started out by saying we have two thousand, three hundred very high quality photographs of the subject.

Host: Being Lee Harvey Oswald.

Did Pearcy mean two thousand, three hundred very high quality photographs of the Embassies or Oswald? The host jumped to a conclusion and Pearcy agreed, but it only really makes sense if he was referring to the embassies.

But then his next sentence is just plain silly, "they had lots of pictures of him going into communist places -- in case he accidentally survived Dallas."

So, Oswald's murder was planned, and how would those photos have helped if he "accidentally survived Dallas." Because they couldn't figure out that he was a Marxist?

And, in blue-green:

So, the CIA assassinated JFK?

Right at the end of the interview, the host brings up the old Penn Jones concept of mysterious deaths:

Pearcy: And the way that they've kept that secret is the way that they've kept a lot of other secrets.

Host: Sure. There's a trail of death in all of this too. I mean, I mean, there's been a lot of people that have been killed.

Pearcy: There is. There is.

Why did Pearcy go along with the host? Does he really believe that people were killed to keep secrets?

Robert Reynolds has done a tremendous amount of work detailing the efforts of the HSCA to get the complete history of the Mexico City Station.

This document from August 23, 1978 describes the meeting that took place the evening before Blakey came back to read the station history:

You can see that Blakey threatened to charge DCI Turner with contempt of Congress if he didn't get the documents.

This document gives Breckinridge's account of the meeting on August 23, 1978.

Blakey read the read the station history excerpts prepared for Cornwell.

This memo provides the results of the meeting between Deputy Director of the CIA Frank Carlucci, and Carl Stoke and G. Robert Blakey. It was agreed that the CIA would provide the unsanitized history of the Mexico City station to the HSCA.

Note point d. above where Carlucci said that "Mr. Blakey and Mr. Cornwell could review it [the Mexico City station history] in unsanitized form. That was accepted."

This shows that Blakey did not stop with just seeing excerpts of the Mexico City station. The excerpts that Blakey read on the evening of August 23rd totaled about 120 pages. In the document below, Blakey describes 240+ pages, so Blakey did indeed examine the entire history.

Here is the reply from Breckinridge:

Did the supposed Inspector General's report that Pearcy read not include mentions of the meeting which resolved the dispute between the HSCA and the CIA?

It does appear that Pearcy is an assassination buff who has now made a name for himself.

But as Clara Peller used to say, "Where's the beef?"

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